The Power of Intention! An exclusive interview with Dr. Wayne Dyer By Philippe Matthews

When I heard that Dr. Wayne Dyer had a book entitled, The Power of Intention, I was intent to have a one-on-one discussion with him about this universal force in nature, especially after my recent conversation with Dr. Deepak Chopra on SynchroDestiny.

Dr. Chopra had this to say about the power of intention, “…we unusually think of intention as just a thought but intention is a force in nature. Scientist who recognizes this talk about a phenomenon called Teleology which is used to explain biological evolution which says if you know the intended outcome in evolution you will be able to predict the biological outcome for it. For example, a giraffe has a long neck because the intended outcome was to reach up to the tree and eat the leaf. A camel has a certain anatomy because its intended outcome was to walk the desert and there was no water. So intentions are responsible for what we call creativity in nature and they are part of the forces of nature as gravity, as much as electromagneticism, as much as the sub atomic forces are. Once you realize that you learn to harness a part of intention by going to that level where in nature the entire universe is really a tapestry of intention.”

Intention is generally viewed as a pit-bull kind of determination propelling one to succeed at all costs by never giving up on an inner picture. In this view, an attitude that combines hard work with an indefatigable drive toward excellence is the way to succeed. However, intention is viewed very differently in Dr. Wayne W. Dyer’s book, The Power of Intention. Dr. Dyer has researched intention as a force in the universe that allows the act of creation to take place. This book explores intention—not as something you do—but as an energy you’re a part of. We’re all intended here through the invisible power of intention. This is the first book to look at intention as a field of energy that you can access to begin co-creating your life in the way you desire.

Part I deals with the principles of intention, offering true stories and examples on ways to make the connection. Dr. Dyer identifies the attributes of the all-creating universal mind of intention as creative, kind, loving, beautiful, expanding, endlessly abundant, and receptive, explaining the importance of emulating this source of creativity. In Part II, Dr. Dyer offers an intention guide with specific ways to apply the co-creating principles in daily life. Part III is an exhilarating description of Dr. Dyer’s vision of a world in harmony with the universal mind of intention.

Dr. Wayne W. Dyer is an internationally renowned author and speaker in the field of self-development. He has written numerous bestselling books, including There’s a Spiritual Solution to Every Problem, Dr. Wayne Dyer’s 10 Secrets for Success and Inner PeaceGetting In the Gap, A Promise Is a Promise, and Your Sacred Self, has created a number of audios and videos; and has appeared on thousands of television and radio programs, including The Today Show, The Tonight Show, and Oprah.

With unique interpretations of the scientific and metaphysical philosophies of history’s greatest thinkers, Dr. Dyer has inspired countless people to enjoy richer, more spiritual lives. In the following interview, he talks about the power of intention and his own life’s path.

Philippe Matthews
What exactly is the power of intention?

Dr. Dyer
“Most people think of intention as if they have an intention to do something then nothing is going to stop me. It’s like a pit-bull attitude. A lot of the great teachings, particularly the teachings of Castaneda and that whole world of sorcery, they talk about intent not as something that you do but as a field of energy that everything in the universe is intended here from the source.”

Philippe Matthews
When you ask the question where do I come from, most people speak of conception but in actuality we come from divine intention, yes?

Dr. Dyer
“Quantum physics teaches us that when you look at an atom and try and take it down to its tiniest component you will find that there are no particles in there. Basically, it’s a field of energy and that field of energy that we come from is invisible and has no form. I think the basis of quantum physics is that particles do not create more particles and that’s what Jesus said more than two thousand years ago, ‘it’s the Spirit that gives life.’ Everything is intended here from a source.”

Philippe Matthews
What is the basis of your book, The Power of Intention?

Dr. Dyer
“The basis of this book is that you have to be like that from which you emanated. You have to reconnect with your source. What does this energy field that is responsible for everything, including the minerals, the vegetables, the animals, the trees, the automobiles, the planets; everything that shows up from this invisible field of energy called intention. What does it look like, what does it sound like, what does it feel like? You have to be like that. When we got here from this field of intention, we took on something called the ego and it convinced us that we are separate from God and we are separate from our source and everybody else and who we are is not this divine energy. We have a tendency to believe that who we are is what we have, what we do and who we defeat and how much stuff we collect and what are reputations are. This is about reconnecting to our source. Castaneda said, ‘it isn’t a question of whether you are connected to source, everything is connected to source, you wouldn’t be here if it weren’t.’ The real question is how dirty is the link between yourself and your source. This is about cleaning up the link and living from source energy – that is the power of intention.”

Philippe Matthews
So intention is a force of nature?

Dr. Dyer
“It is a force of nature and when you connect to it and act like it then you regain the same power that it has because you and it are one. Once you reconnect to it and start living at that energy level, you have the power to create, you have the power to manifest, you have the power to heal, you have the power to attract into your life virtually anyone with any assistance you need for whatever it is you would like to have in your life. You virtually become a magician if you will, but it means staying with source energy. I call them the seven faces of intention and one of them for example, is the face of kindness. An energy field that can create worlds, doesn’t need to create anything that is unkind toward it. It doesn’t have any hatred in it so every single time you have a thought that is unkind toward someone else or something else you have left source energy. You have resisted being at source energy and you have lost your ability to intend.”

Philippe Matthews
You began your inspiration for this book during your surgery as you were completing A Spiritual Solution to Every Problem is that correct?

Dr. Dyer
“Yes, and I came across a quote that is the display quote for the opening chapter in The Power of Intention, ‘In the universe there is an immeasurable, indescribable force which shamans call intent, and absolutely everything that exists in the entire cosmos is attached to intent by a connecting link.’ I carried that around with me and thought about it.”

Philippe Matthews
The Power of Intention has become a powerful PBS Special but your message is energy in expression across the world.

Dr. Dyer
“Even doing an interview with you; putting it out on the internet, this is a shift in energy and it’s the kind of shift that the whole planet, including the George W. Bush’s, the Sadaam’s, the Rumfeld’s and everybody else out there — we really need to shift to this kind of awareness that all of us come from the same source and as the native American’s say, ‘No tree has branches so foolish as to fight among themselves.’ We have to learn that lesson.”

Philippe Matthews
The masses are searching for something much higher than what they have been receiving each week through their current doctrines and sources.

Dr. Dyer
“I think people are leaving organized religion in massive numbers and one of the reasons that they are doing it is because if you measure organized religion on the Hawkins scale of whether it weakens or strengthens you, when you ask people questions about organized religion and what impact it has on their life and you do kinesthesiological tests, you’ll see that it weakens you because organized religion divides people up. It compartmentalizes people and makes some people eligible and some people not, whereas spirituality is something that unites people. Anything that unites us as a people strengthens us and anything that divides us weakens us. We have to look at what are the things out there that divide us and carve us up. Our political organizations, our sense of nationalism, our patriotism, our religion, our organizations – so much of that stuff is designed to pit one of us against the other. There is not enough out there that really looks at how we are all connected and come from the same source.”

Philippe Matthews
So the power of intention is really a part of our normal spiritual/human evolution…

Dr. Dyer
“Yes, if you want to know what it sounds like, it’s Krishna who is the voice in the Bhagavad Gita speaking, ‘I am the source of all. Everything emanates from me.’ If you want to know what it feels like, if you open up the Torah in the Old Testament, the opening line in Genesis 1:1 says ‘In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.’ Then if you look at Genesis 1:31 it says, ‘And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.’ Good and God are the same thing. So, what does it feel like to be connected to the source? It feels good. If you call my cell phone and listen to the message, it says, ‘Hi, this is Wayne Dyer that you’ve reached and I want to feel good. If your message is designed to do anything other than that, you’ve reached the wrong number and I suggest that you call Dr. Phil!’ Feeling good doesn’t just mean feeling giddy or high, it means I want to feel God. God and good become the same. So when you say, ‘I want to feel good,’ what you are really saying is, ‘I want to feel God,’ which means I want to feel exactly like that sense of wellbeing that everything emanates from.”

“People say how can they feel good when there is so much bad going around? With so many people out there who are being mean to each other. My sister-in-law has cancer. Soldiers are dying from explosions; my response to that is you can’t feel bad enough to make someone else’s life better. You can’t get confused enough to un-confuse one person. You can’t get sick enough to heal one person out there so anytime you are feeling anything other than the good or God, what you are doing is contributing to rather than encouraging others to reconnect to their source.”

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The Gift of Change: An Exclusive Interview with Marianne Williamson by Philippe Matthews

Marianne Williamson is an internationally acclaimed author and lecturer. She has published eight books, four of which – including the mega bestseller A Return to Love and Everyday Grace – have been #1 New York Times bestsellers. Her titles also include Illuminata, A Woman’s Worth, and Healing the Soul of America. She also edited Imagine: What American Could Be in the 21st Century, a compilation of essays by some of America’s most visionary thinkers.

Marianne has been a popular guest on numerous television programs such as Oprah, Larry King Live, Good Morning America, and Charlie Rose.

She has lectured professionally since 1983. In 1989, she founded Project Angel Food (http://www.projectangelfood.org), a meals-on-wheels program that serves homebound people with AIDS in the Los Angeles area. Today, Project Angel Food serves over 1,000 people daily.

In a conversation with Marianne, not long after 911 about her book, The Gift of Change: Spiritual Guidance for a Radically New Life, released by Harper Collins, I asked her how did this book come about?

Marianne Williamson
“I think when you get to meet anybody as a reader; to really reach them is if you are speaking from what is true to you. All of my books are speaking from where I was at that moment. What am I thinking about?  What am I going through? This book is no different. I was really fascinated by this principle in A Course in Miracles that the moment a mistake occurs, the complete healing of the mistake, the solution to any problem is born into the mind of God the moment the mistake occurs. I was really interested in how that applied to the World Trade Center bombings being hit by those planes. If you follow the principles in A Course In Miracles, it will tell that the moment the planes hit the World Trade Center this plan was created that would completely heal this whole problem but God can’t do for us what He can’t do through us.”

Philippe “SHOCK” Matthews
Talk to me about God’s Plan.

Marianne Williamson
“We say that God has a plan by definition it’s a plan that people carry out but the state of the world we are in now reflects the state of consciousness we’ve been in. So to say God has a plan for the healing of the world means also God has a plan for us becoming the people we need to be. It seems to me that the stress, not just that the world has been in but so many individuals have been in the last year or two has been as though subconsciously we’ve been putting ourselves through changes that would come about when we face the issues we need to face in order to breakthrough and become the people we need to be.”

Philippe “SHOCK” Matthews
In your introduction of the book; “The Challenge to Grow”, you talk about a collective depression.  Please explain what you meant by that.

Marianne Williamson
“I do think there is a collective depression because after 9/11 and what I talk about in the book is that we don’t have a positive conversation about emotional depth, spiritual depth and intellectual depth. Case in point, there is a singer, Jessica Simpson and her husband Nick. Maybe I have heard this woman sing one song on television but I do know this, I can’t go anywhere; buy a carton of milk or pass a newsstand without being confronted by these magazines that ask the question, ‘will Jessica and Nick’s marriage make it?’ I don’t even know who these people are but I do know this. There are people dieing in Iraq, I know that we have not handled this terrorism issue, I know that a lot of the world is angry at us and I know that there is a lot of human suffering so why are we obsessed and why is the media focusing on whether or not Jessica and Nick’s marriage makes it?  This is a perfect example of the neurosis of our popular culture.”

Philippe “SHOCK” Matthews
Talk to me about this social avoidance and detachment. How dangerous is this for the collective consciousness?

Marianne Williamson
“I think that in an individual’s life, it’s really to your detriment if you don’t look at your own mistakes. You never look at your own failings and you never look at your weaknesses. If you go to therapy and you only talk about what you are doing right, you have the wrong therapist. Self awareness is the key to everything. Once you know that your life is a reflection of your consciousness then you know to look at your own self and your own failings is absolutely imperative if you want to move forward. But when it comes to our national life, which is the same dynamic because all a nation is a collection of individuals. What happens here is that in our national life if anybody says, ‘well, America needs to look at their own failings and their own weaknesses.”

Philippe “SHOCK” Matthews
Is there something we as Americans should focus on?

Marianne Williamson
“The people of the United States really need to take a look at what their foreign policy has been over the last two decades; how it has affected the world; what people attitudes are to us… which by the way, people were eager to have an investigation right after 9/11. The average American was asking, ‘why do they hate us?’ but then we went into this mode of war where all you are suppose to do is be a cheerleader for revenge and if you questioned this at all whether or not America needs to look at its own failings, you were unpatriotic. They would say that you are blaming America which of course you are not. So that’s where we are. We can have meaningful conversations as individuals but our worst problems are not as individuals. Many of our worst problems are collective. They are problems that you and I are having together, so deepening the popular dialogue, deepening the collective conversations I believe is the real imperative of this moment.”

Philippe “SHOCK” Matthews
How do we begin deepening the collective dialogue?

Marianne Williamson
“Well, you are doing it! Media sources, usually alternative media sources because the mainstream media is very much a hand maiden of the status quo, very much locked into ‘let’s keep it light.’ But people like yourself Philippe, and other people like yourself all over this country who represent an alternative media that present a different gestalt a different conversation and I think if you put it all together, there is a lot of it out there.”

Philippe “SHOCK” Matthews
Have we come far from 911 or are we back in the same collective consciousness that got us there?

Marianne Williamson
“Yes that what our leadership told us to do. Bush’s line was basically we hadn’t done anything wrong and that we are so good and so free that people are jealous of us and all we have to do is keep shopping and we’ll take care of it. That’s basically been the party line. While there is some truth in that, I do think there are people who are jealous of us because we are good and free but I don’t think that is the whole story and that’s the importance of leadership and that is the line that emanated from the White House and a line that a lot of people followed.”

Philippe “SHOCK” Matthews
On page 7 in your introduction, you say “Most of us live with a deep, subconscious longing for another kind of world.” What did you mean by that?

Marianne Williamson
“Obviously we all feel in our hearts that some magic is missing. Why do you think books like Harry Potter are so phenomenally popular? Its not just children its adults as well who wish for something beyond the veil. That’s why we read fiction, that’s why we go to the movies, that’s why we listen to music, read poetry and strive in all kinds of ways.  There’s a magic we get; we get it when a baby is born, when we fall in love and even in an ironic way when someone dies. The mystery hits that pierces the veil of illusion and we are reminded of something bigger than this and I think it’s the longing of our souls.”

Philippe “SHOCK” Matthews
Talk to me about how we avoid the truth of what is happening to us?

Marianne Williamson
“I think we need to understand that the popular culture in America today is toxic and we have to make a conscious decision to detach from it more. That doesn’t mean pieces of it aren’t fun and escape and entertainment every once and a while is not a good thing. I’m not prudish or over serious, I’m just saying there is a general tenor of dialogue that is very, very shallow.  We are in a time in our history when we cannot afford to be shallow, we cannot afford to turn away from the deeper conversation that begs to be had. So that is number one; number two I think if you really want to become a part of the solution that you need to genuinely take part in some kind of religious or spiritual practice — something that involves prayer, something that involves meditation, something that involves a serious effort to forgive.”

Philippe “SHOCK” Matthews
Talk to me about making a choice in the moment.

Marianne Williamson
“In every moment we make a choice; our heart is open or our heart is closed; you are blaming somebody or you are blessing somebody; you are bitching and moaning about what you are not getting or you are asking what you might contribute.  You are looking at infinite possibilities and claiming them for yourself or you are thinking along the lines of ‘oh I can’t and it won’t happen for me.’ In the course in miracles there is a line that says, ‘We achieve so little because our minds are undisciplined.’ We have flabby minds with fear-based thoughts or limited thoughts or scarcity based thoughts and we can change that.”

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Why Does Robert T. Kiyosaki and Donald Trump Recommend Network Marketing?

Why Do You Recommend Network Marketing?

Robert Kiyosaki’s Answer:

When I first heard about network marketing, I was against it.  But after opening my mind, I began to see advantages that few other business opportunities offer.

Long-term success in life is a reflection of your education, life experience and personal character.  Many network-marketing companies provide personal development training in those key areas.

Most schools train people for the E or S quadrants, and that is great if those are the quadrants in which you want to spend your life.  Most MBA programs are training students for high-paying jobs in the corporate world as an E, not a B.

What if you’re in the E or S quadrant and you want to change?  What if you want to be in the B quadrant?  Where do you find the education that trains you for that quadrant?  I recommend a network-marketing business.  I recommend the industry for people who want to change and get the necessary skills and attitude training to be successful in the B quadrant.

Being an entrepreneur and building a B quadrant business is one of the toughest challenges a person can take on.  The reason there are more people in the E and S quadrants is simply because those quadrants are less demanding than the B quadrant.  As they say, “If it was easy, everyone would do it.”

Personally, I had to learn how to overcome my self-doubt, shyness and fear of rejection.  And I had to learn how to pick myself up and keep going after I failed.  These are some of the personal traits a person must develop if they are to be successful in a B quadrant business, regardless of whether it is a network-marketing business, a franchise or an entrepreneurial startup.

An important personal skill required for any B quadrant business is leadership.  Are you able to overcome your own fears and have others overcome their fears in order to get the job done?  This is a skill the Marine Corps taught me.  As Marine Corps officers, it was imperative that we be able to lead others into battle, even though we were all terrified of dying.

I meet many people in the S quadrant, the specialist or small business owners, who would like to expand, but they simply lack leadership skills.  No one wants to follow them.  The employees do not trust their leader or the leader does not inspire the employees to better themselves.

As mentioned earlier, Forbes defined a big-business owner, a B quadrant business owner, as a person who controls a business with more than 500 employees.  This definition is why leadership skills are vial for the B quadrant.

Where could you find a business that will invest the time in your education, your personal development and building your own business?  The answer is: most network-marketing business.

Building a B quadrant business is not an easy task.  So you need to ask yourself, “Do I have what it takes?  Am I willing to go beyond my comfort zones?  Am I willing to be led and willing to learn to lead?  Is there a very rich person inside of me, ready to come out?” If the answer is “Yes,” start looking for a network-marketing business that has a great training program.  I would focus less on the products or the compensation plans and more on the education and personal development program the company offers.

A network-marketing business is a B quadrant business because it meets several criteria I look for in a business or investment.  Those criteria are:

Isn’t Network Marketing A Pyramid Scheme?
I am often asked if network marketing is a pyramid scheme.  My reply is that corporations are really pyramid schemes.  A corporation has only one person at the top, generally the CEO, and everyone else below. The following is an example of a typical corporate pyramid:

Compare that to a network-marketing business system:

A true network-marketing business is the exact opposite of a traditional business model.  A network-marketing business is designed to bring you up to the top, not keep you down at the bottom.  A true network-marketing business does not succeed unless it brings people up to the top.
Additional Points Worth Mentioning
The following are some other points worth mentioning:

In the corporate world, if you are not successful in six months to a year, you are often fired.  In the network-marketing world, as long as you are willing to put in the time, most companies will work with you in your development.  After all, they want you to get to the top.

In conclusion
After opening my closed mind, I could finally see some of the unique benefits the network-marketing industry offers people who want more out of their lives.
Generally, it costs much less to get started in a network-marketing company than to build a business on your own.

-Robert Kiyosaki

Watch the full episode of Robert T. Kiyosaki on the Philippe Matthews Show

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Donald Trump’s Response

Marketing is a powerful tool, and network marketing can increase that power, provided you are self-motivated.  In a simple visual, see a product and then remove the advertising agency from it.  It is up to you to do the marketing and advertising.

That’s a big job, but it can be done if you are passionate enough to get it going on your own and to jeep the momentum and motivation going at a high level.  It requires an entrepreneurial spirit, and that means focus and perseverance.  I do not recommend network marketing to people who are not highly self-motivated.

Another important aspect of network marketing is that it is inherently social, so if you are not a social or outgoing person, I’d think twice about going into it.  Sociability is a requirement.

Just like in advertising, there’s no point in having a fantastic advertising campaign if the product isn’t equally fantastic.  Also keep in mind that if you decide to become a distributor, you will be legally responsible for the claims you make about the product, the company and the available opportunities.  But above all, make sure the product is worth your energy and total devotion.  Otherwise, you could be energetically spinning your wheels.

Robert mentions the importance of going beyond your comfort zone when it comes to network marketing.  He also mentions giving yourself enough time.  These are good points to consider.  I would also agree that having leadership qualities is critical for success.  You definitely have to have a take-charge, can-do attitude.

As with any other undertaking, know everything you can about what you’re doing before you begin.  Network marketing has proven itself to be a viable and rewarding source of income, and the challenges could be just right for you.  There have been some remarkable examples of success, and those successes have been earned through diligence, enthusiasm and the right product combined with timing.  As with so many issues we have discussed before, there are tangibles and intangibles involved, but success is not a total mystery, and that applies to network marketing as well.

Most people have heard of focus  groups, a research tool that advertising agencies use when they are testing a new product.  They will go out to different locations and simply ask everyday people what they like and don’t like about a new product.  Its best if you can keep the focus group idea close at hand when you are deciding about a product.  Just because you like it doesn’t mean everyone else will.  Finding a common denominator in product appeal will matter.

My nutshell advice about network marketing is to do your research and then put everything you’ve got into your product.  Genuine enthusiasm is hard to beat, and the odds will be with you.

-Donald Trump

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An Exclusive Interview with Dr. John F. Demartini (Star of What Is The Secret and Law of Attraction Expert)

By: Philippe “SHOCK” Matthews

At the age of seven, John Demartini was told he had a learning disability and would never read, write or communicate normally. At fourteen, he dropped out of school, left his Texas home and headed for the California coast.

By seventeen, he had ended up in Hawaii, surfing the waves of Oahu’s famous North Shore where he almost died from strychnine poisoning. His road to recovery led him to Dr. Paul Bragg, the ninety-three year old man who would change his life forever by instructing him to repeat one simple affirmation every day: “I am a genius and I apply my wisdom.”

Today, he lectures, teaches and consults internationally with a mission to inspire wisdom, fulfillment, leadership and healing in individuals who desire to achieve their full potential. His personal and professional development seminars and programs explore diverse topics ranging from the arts and sciences, human potential technologies to the world religions and philosophies. His life’s work is the study and exploration of over 200 different disciplines in pursuit of what he calls Universal Principles of Life.

Founder of The Concourse of Wisdom and creator of The Quantum Collapse Process®, Dr. Demartini’s understanding of the power of love is reshaping psychology as we know it. His revolutionary personal transformation methodologies help tens of thousands of individuals find greater order within their lives by enabling them to live with greater clarity, certainty and presence. Dr. Demartini’s books and programs, including The Breakthrough Experience, Count Your Blessings, You’re Never Given a Problem You Can’t Solve, Building Wealth F.A.S.T., Purpose – Life’s Driving Force and The Principles and Methods of Self-Actualization continue to inspire thousands more.

Dr. Demartini’s latest book, How to Make One Hell of a Profit and Still Get to Heaven has swept the country and has taken Australia by storm.  In this content-rich interview, Dr. John F. Demartini shares some of the most effective techniques of building wealth I have come across.

Philippe Matthews
How to make one hell of a profit and still get to heaven.  Why this title?

Dr. Demartini
“I was in New York about seven or eight years ago, sitting in a restaurant on Madison Avenue and that title popped into my head. I had desired to write a book with that title for quite a while and didn’t get around to doing it until this last year. But it had been sitting there daggling in my brain for all that time and finally I got down to writing it.”

Philippe Matthews
What is heaven and what is hell? You say they are states of mind and not states of places.

Dr. Demartini
“Throughout the ages, man has referred to or had a desire for a pleasurable place and the desire to avoid a painful place in our minds and in our life. that has been conceptually evolved in the brain and if I were to define heaven as I do in the book, I would define it as a place where we are grateful and feel satiated and full and we are appreciative of our existence. That could be perceived as something in this existence and this life or we can perceive it occurring in the after-life but that is something we can’t demonstrate so I think it is best defined as a state of fulfillment and gratitude and appreciation for what is as it is. Hell is obviously the opposite in the sense that we are ungrateful and it’s not stratifying and we have a desire for something that is unattained.”

Philippe Matthews
What is the overall message you want to convey in this book?

Dr. Demartini
“The main thing that started it and drove the book was that so many people as I travel the world and share my work, many people have an internal conflict and sometimes internal dialogue possibly from religious instruction, from social instruction that creates a conflict between them receiving and giving.  Receiving wealth and feeling deserving of it and putting a value on building affluence and wealth in their life.  This conflict I have seen over and over again and it is my attempt to try and assist people to get past and through that initiation and conflict to help them receive what they really desire in their heart and what they feel they are here for and deserve to have.”

Philippe Matthews
You say that the universe is nothing more than light many different frequencies and so are we. Explain.

Dr. Demartini
“When we break our body down, and reduce it down to its systems, organs, tissues, cells, organelles – down to the molecules, atoms and down into the subatomic particles, all of the atoms and subatomic particles make up protons, electrons, neutrons and ultimately, those are broken down into components of light.  In fact, every atom has a signature frequency of light which is actually just a vibration of light.  When we break it down we realize that our body is literally frozen, liquid or congealed light.  We are literally a vibrational system of light that is now demonstrating a reception and broadcasting, like radio receiver, to other human beings and other life.  We are literally tuning systems so our consciousness is like a tuning device and we can attune to more grateful states when we have a balanced perspective and tune to more ungrateful states when we have an imbalanced perspective. When we bring order to our financial life, we are grateful and when we have chaos in our financial life we are ungrateful which are heaven and hell.”

“To the degree that we manage money wisely we receive more money to manage and it’s not how much we receive its how we manage what we receive that determines our financial affluence.”

Philippe Matthews
The concept of heaven/hell is really a lopsided perception being too far to the left and too far to the right?

Dr. Demartini
“When we have a poised and balanced state of consciousness, we see order around us and we have no desire to change what our existence is and we are grateful.”

Philippe Matthews
When spirit (cause) and matter (effect) come equally and fully together in your consciousness, heaven is born.  Elaborate.

Dr. Demartini
“Our desires and realities are one.  The things that we are seeking we realize are not missing and they are present. Many times the things we seek are actually present around us but are in a form we are not recognizing and the hexarchy of our values are determining the form.  Because we sometimes we infatuate with other authority figures, we attempt to inject their values into our life and live them and therefore because of it we can’t see that the things we actually desire from our own values are actually there but we can’t see them because we are trying to live someone else’s.”

Philippe Matthews
Wow! So nothing is really missing?

Dr. Demartini
“Nothing is really missing; it’s just in another form.  The book is not only a strategy on how to build wealth but it also has a psychology to help you realize you are already abundantly living.”

Philippe Matthews
You say it is important to pay yourself first – why?

Dr. Demartini
“We have a temple within and we have temples without – the one within and the many without.  It is wise to not exclude our spiritual temple within as we have the spiritual temples without.  It is wise to invest in both.  If we are going to do a tithe, it is best to do both simultaneously. If we are going to tithe to the outer world it’s also wise to tithe to that temple within.  That’s inclusive of the same temple.  What many people do is forsake themselves for others which was originally, when I traced back the history from that; a marketing ploy by religious institutionalism more so than a necessity for human consciousness.  I think there is wisdom in having fair exchange.  My whole book is based on the idea of fair exchange.”

Philippe Matthews
Talk to me about the dynamic of fair exchange.

Dr. Demartini
“If you have ever been in a situation where you have owed someone money and when you do you have the anxiety and fear of having to come up with the money and pay it over time. You also have the guilt that if you don’t what are the repercussions.  If someone owes you money, you have the fear of whether they pay it or not and you have the guilt that you put yourself in the situation.  Fear is a future imagined emotion and guilt is a past remembered emotion and neither of them are centered in presence. A spiritual state occurs in a state of presence so anytime we owe somebody or they owe us something, we’re actually coming out of the state of presence which is a spiritual state, and entering into an emotionally-based or grounding state that weighs us down and we are not able to have what is called fair and even exchange. When you do a service and they pay you on the spot, it’s clean, it’s done and you are both freed and liberated by that moment and feel you’ve got a fair exchange.  Anytime you do the other; the purpose of adding interest on either side was to attempt to maintain presence when there has been an exchange that is not in time.  When you owe someone, you add interest to compensate for not being present and compensating for all of those emotions.  The purpose of having fair exchange was to maintain, presence, clarity, cleanness, and not have to burden the mind by unexpressed or incomplete transactions.”

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Part 2 – My Exclusive Interview with Bob Proctor By Philippe SHOCK Matthews

Bob Proctor and Philippe SHOCK Matthews

The Science of Getting Rich with Bob Proctor

THE BACKGROUND

Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
Tell me a little bit about your background. What was your childhood like, who were your parents and do you have any brothers or sisters?

Bob Proctor:
“I am originally from Owen Sound, Ontario in Canada. My father left at a very early age to the Second World War. My mother raised three of us, my brother, sister and myself. I have a younger brother, Al who is a successful Insurance Agent in California with State Farm and has been there for years. My sister is a couple of years older and she and her husband have a very successful Safety Supply Business in Toronto. My mother raised the three of us and kept her mother, who looked after us when we were small while our mother went to work. Although my mother never had anything, she always left us with the idea that if we really wanted to do it, we could do it. She had a simple awareness. Although I messed up and screwed up and we never had anything for years, there was that seed planted in my mind that if you want to do it, you can do it.”

“After a couple of months of high school, I left to join the Navy. I came out and worked in factories, bars and I was a firefighter in Toronto when I read Think And Grow Rich (Napoleon Hill), my whole world began to change. I think what really changed is the man who gave me Think And Grow Rich and became a mentor to me. Now, we didn’t call them mentors or counselors back then – he was just a guy that cared. Then, I met Lloyd Conant and Earl Nightingale and eventually went to work for them and they became my mentors. Next, I met Dr. Harry Roder and Bill Gove. I have always been fortunate enough to have people who were the very best at what they did as my mentors and I always watched them and paid close attention to what they did and emulated them. Tony Robbins calls it mirroring. That’s what I did. It’s not copying them; you are emulating them.”

Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
Who was Wallace D. Wattles? How did you hear about him?

Bob Proctor:
“Lloyd Conant introduced me to it way back in 1968, I was about 35. I was having dinner at his place and asked him how did he come to start the company, and he explained to me that he had this little green book that he read and after spending a weekend reading it, he decided to build a company. In 1968, this was a little outside the box because people would think you were losing it. I decided that it should be taught because I have people who have read the book and they go through the seminar and swear that they never read the book because we really dig in to it. It’s incredible!”

Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
It’s really the psychology and spirituality of wealthy, yes?

Bob Proctor:
“Absolutely. It’s the most complete thing on money. I think most people are suffering from money deprivation and that is the cause of their problems. It’s a consciousness problem, and it just blocks all of the other areas of creativity in their life. I found a person would be absolutely amazed how much free time they will have when they never have to think about money.”

Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
Isn’t it amazing when you don’t have to complain about money, you don’t have anything to complain about?

Bob Proctor:
“If you want to change your life, you have to change your life.”

THE SCIENCE OF GETTING RICH

Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
You say that you don’t have to have a high degree of intelligence to be rich. Explain.

Bob Proctor:
“The way we look at the intellect, our whole school and educational system is based on the development of what we call the intellect. For example, a person with a lot of formal learning, where they gather an enormous amount of information and we say that they are an intellect; which in fact, no one is an intellect. We have intellectual factors, but there are people who are functionally illiterate who can’t read or write that earn millions of dollars a year. So, you would say that they don’t have a high degree of intelligence; but they have a unique level of awareness.”

Awareness is really the key. That’s what I believe our educational system should focus on – to develop a greater awareness of how things function. Who we are, what we do and what we are capable of doing. But that is neglected. So, you have people going around who appear to be absolutely brilliant, but they are not very aware. Subsequently, we have to become aware of who we are and what we are; then we’ll start to see with an inner eye and will be able to have a true reflection of what’s going on inside. The sad fact is, is that what’s going on inside with most people is a reflection of what’s going on outside; so they keep getting the same results over and over again. They are being seduced by outside conditions or circumstances.”

Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
Aside from repeating the same mistakes over and over again in one’s life because of their internal beliefs, isn’t there a decision that must be made that, ‘This is the day I am going to make a permanent change in my life?’

Bob Proctor:
“There is no question about that. The first thing a person has to do is make the decision that they are going to do it – how they are going to do is irrelevant. They have to make a decision that they are going to do it and because most people don’t see how they are going to do it, they never decided to do it. The formula is the decision first – the information comes second. We are told to seek ‘ye first the kingdom of expansion’, and all these things will be given to whatever things are necessary for the manifestation of the image. We have to understand that we have to make the decision. For example, if I was going to make a decision to learn how to use Photoshop to build a powerful PowerPoint presentation; then I would find someone who has mastered Photoshop and I would get them to teach me how to do it, and I would do what they told me. I would make particularly good notes of what they said; and if I found that it wasn’t working right, I would go back to them and say there is something I don’t understand; could I have a couple more lessons.’”

Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
So, wealth is not a solo act; you need others to help you get there?

Bob Proctor:
“You need other people. Martin Rutt says, ‘You have to do it by yourself, and you can’t do it alone.’ That’s a puzzle and when the student solves the puzzle, they have created a higher degree of awareness. I have used that so often because it’s so perfect. Even though you need other people, you still have to do it yourself.”

Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
What is the Law of Perpetual Transmutation, and how does it relate to wealth?

Bob Proctor:
“It relates to everything in the universe. I woke up this morning; it was a beautiful, bright, shining day. The sun was beaming through the windows. Then I noticed that it was starting to get dark and all of a sudden, it was snowing like blazes here. Then it stopped snowing and started to get bright again. The snow was on the ground and about one half hour later, it was gone. Well, the energy was moving into form. The form was snow; then it went back to where it came from, so energy is forever moving into form. Energy flows to and through us and the images we form in our mind dictate the physical form that the energy is going to eventually turn into and it moves with and through us. The energy moves us into a new vibration. The vibration sets up new action and sets up an attraction, so it’s the action and attraction that brings all of the energy together and manifests the energy into form. It’s the first law of the universe.”

Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
Tell me about the Law of Cause and Effect and how it relates to wealth.

Bob Proctor:
“Well, Emerson says the Law of Cause and Effect is the ‘Law of Laws.’ You are going to receive what you put out. The universe sends back to you what you send to it. So, your level of expectation has a lot to do with it and determines what you send out. If you see wealth as a reward, which is really; what it is for service rendered it has nothing to do with work. I can be providing a service right now sharing this information with you and although you are not going to turn around and give me dollars in place of this, the universe is going to send me back money and it will come in many different forms. I can’t determine how it’s going to come, but the energy that I am sharing with you right now is a service that you are then going to take and share with your people. Together, we have banded our energies together and we are providing a service to the people that receive your Ezine. They are going to be doing business with us. You just have to think about giving. We’ve got to learn how to become good Go-Givers.”

Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
So, in becoming a good ‘Go-Giver’, one must become a good thither, yes?

Bob Proctor:
“The novice that first gets involved with tithing and I think it’s a stage we all go through, is seeking a better way of life. Thus, we get into books, cassettes and seminars and we get this idea of tithing and don’t know if it really works. We try it and send some money and say ‘Well, nothing came back.’ We have to understand that if you are giving to get that’s trading, and a violation of the law. With tithing, we should freely give and let go of completely; part of our time, part of our knowledge, and part of our money. We should give from the source that we receive good from. For instance, I went into Michael Beckwith’s church; he invited me there to speak and I went with the idea of speaking because he invited me to speak. I was so richly rewarded just because of my presence there. It was so good that I couldn’t even describe it. Sometimes, you are going to do something for someone and you don’t realize that you will get it back immediately. You don’t have to give to a particular church on the corner in your town; it could be any source where you receive spiritual strength. We should be forever looking for an opportunity to give because that’s what life is all about. If we would just fall in love with that idea, regardless of what anybody else thinks, stay true to that, then we are going to receive because that’s the law and how cause and effect works.”

Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
You say on The Science of Getting Rich that you can get rich going with the tide rather going against it. Explain.

Bob Proctor:
“If it’s a struggle to earn money, you are going against the tide. There should be no struggle. If we get into the divine current of life; that’s where the law of cause and effect comes in, that’s where tithing comes in; it has to be a free-flow. There is a difference between freely giving and taken. If people are taking advantage of you and some will, you are setting up a situation that is giving them an opportunity to violate the law. You shouldn’t permit yourself to be taken, and it’s a fine line, which is where the awareness comes in, but you should be forever looking for opportunities to give of your time, knowledge and money. I remember when I first started studying this, I was really working hard. I was in the Office Building Maintenance Business, and I literally passed out on the street. I thought the answer was work harder, get another office to clean; and of course, that wasn’t the answer at all.”

Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
You say in nature, the supply of money, wealth or riches can never run short. What does that really mean?

Bob Proctor:
“Empty plates don’t feed hungry people. We think that there is a lack of money, but poor people can’t help people. Wealthy people help people. The more you earn, the more you can help people. Money is only used for two things; to be comfortable and to extend your service beyond your own presence. People, who think there is a lack of supply, have separated the non-physical world from the physical world. They say there is a line of demarcation, where one starts and the other stops. The non-physical world and physical world are all connected. This separate thinking has brought about all of the racial problems and the wars, religious problems, but we’re all connected and an expression of the same thing. Tell me where water stops becoming water and becomes steam. The steam and the water are all hooked together on various frequencies and each frequency is hooked up to the one above and the one below. You cannot separate the non-physical world from the physical world. I believe when we really understand that, we start to get along with one another like we are brothers, sisters and connected and we start to see that there is an infinite source of supply. There is no lack to supply. We have the creative faculty or ability to tap in to the non-physical world, build images and cause those images to move into form. Thus, we are creative beings.”

Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
You also say that you must think the truth regardless of appearances. Why?

Bob Proctor:
“You have to understand the truth is not always in the appearance of things. You have to grasp the concept that all things begin in thought. That is, thought truly is the preamble to everything. So, until you grasp that, you are going to let your present conditions or circumstances control your thinking; and it’s going to be repeat cycles of the same thing happening over and over again. My God, Philippe, you and I were caught up in that for years. I lived that way for so long; and you did too; as did most people. I wasn’t raised in a family where everyone understood this and there was plenty around. There was lack and limitation all around and we were blaming conditions, circumstances, other people, the government and everybody else for our situation. It wasn’t until somebody helped me to understand that if I wanted to change my life, I had to change my life.”

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