
Bob Proctor and Philippe SHOCK Matthews

Bob Proctor and Philippe SHOCK Matthews
The Science of Getting Rich with Bob Proctor
THE BACKGROUND
Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
Tell me a little bit about your background. What was your childhood like, who were your parents and do you have any brothers or sisters?
Bob Proctor:
“I am originally from Owen Sound, Ontario in Canada. My father left at a very early age to the Second World War. My mother raised three of us, my brother, sister and myself. I have a younger brother, Al who is a successful Insurance Agent in California with State Farm and has been there for years. My sister is a couple of years older and she and her husband have a very successful Safety Supply Business in Toronto. My mother raised the three of us and kept her mother, who looked after us when we were small while our mother went to work. Although my mother never had anything, she always left us with the idea that if we really wanted to do it, we could do it. She had a simple awareness. Although I messed up and screwed up and we never had anything for years, there was that seed planted in my mind that if you want to do it, you can do it.”
“After a couple of months of high school, I left to join the Navy. I came out and worked in factories, bars and I was a firefighter in Toronto when I read Think And Grow Rich (Napoleon Hill), my whole world began to change. I think what really changed is the man who gave me Think And Grow Rich and became a mentor to me. Now, we didn’t call them mentors or counselors back then – he was just a guy that cared. Then, I met Lloyd Conant and Earl Nightingale and eventually went to work for them and they became my mentors. Next, I met Dr. Harry Roder and Bill Gove. I have always been fortunate enough to have people who were the very best at what they did as my mentors and I always watched them and paid close attention to what they did and emulated them. Tony Robbins calls it mirroring. That’s what I did. It’s not copying them; you are emulating them.”
Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
Who was Wallace D. Wattles? How did you hear about him?
Bob Proctor:
“Lloyd Conant introduced me to it way back in 1968, I was about 35. I was having dinner at his place and asked him how did he come to start the company, and he explained to me that he had this little green book that he read and after spending a weekend reading it, he decided to build a company. In 1968, this was a little outside the box because people would think you were losing it. I decided that it should be taught because I have people who have read the book and they go through the seminar and swear that they never read the book because we really dig in to it. It’s incredible!”
Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
It’s really the psychology and spirituality of wealthy, yes?
Bob Proctor:
“Absolutely. It’s the most complete thing on money. I think most people are suffering from money deprivation and that is the cause of their problems. It’s a consciousness problem, and it just blocks all of the other areas of creativity in their life. I found a person would be absolutely amazed how much free time they will have when they never have to think about money.”
Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
Isn’t it amazing when you don’t have to complain about money, you don’t have anything to complain about?
Bob Proctor:
“If you want to change your life, you have to change your life.”
THE SCIENCE OF GETTING RICH
Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
You say that you don’t have to have a high degree of intelligence to be rich. Explain.
Bob Proctor:
“The way we look at the intellect, our whole school and educational system is based on the development of what we call the intellect. For example, a person with a lot of formal learning, where they gather an enormous amount of information and we say that they are an intellect; which in fact, no one is an intellect. We have intellectual factors, but there are people who are functionally illiterate who can’t read or write that earn millions of dollars a year. So, you would say that they don’t have a high degree of intelligence; but they have a unique level of awareness.”
Awareness is really the key. That’s what I believe our educational system should focus on – to develop a greater awareness of how things function. Who we are, what we do and what we are capable of doing. But that is neglected. So, you have people going around who appear to be absolutely brilliant, but they are not very aware. Subsequently, we have to become aware of who we are and what we are; then we’ll start to see with an inner eye and will be able to have a true reflection of what’s going on inside. The sad fact is, is that what’s going on inside with most people is a reflection of what’s going on outside; so they keep getting the same results over and over again. They are being seduced by outside conditions or circumstances.”
Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
Aside from repeating the same mistakes over and over again in one’s life because of their internal beliefs, isn’t there a decision that must be made that, ‘This is the day I am going to make a permanent change in my life?’
Bob Proctor:
“There is no question about that. The first thing a person has to do is make the decision that they are going to do it – how they are going to do is irrelevant. They have to make a decision that they are going to do it and because most people don’t see how they are going to do it, they never decided to do it. The formula is the decision first – the information comes second. We are told to seek ‘ye first the kingdom of expansion’, and all these things will be given to whatever things are necessary for the manifestation of the image. We have to understand that we have to make the decision. For example, if I was going to make a decision to learn how to use Photoshop to build a powerful PowerPoint presentation; then I would find someone who has mastered Photoshop and I would get them to teach me how to do it, and I would do what they told me. I would make particularly good notes of what they said; and if I found that it wasn’t working right, I would go back to them and say there is something I don’t understand; could I have a couple more lessons.’”
Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
So, wealth is not a solo act; you need others to help you get there?
Bob Proctor:
“You need other people. Martin Rutt says, ‘You have to do it by yourself, and you can’t do it alone.’ That’s a puzzle and when the student solves the puzzle, they have created a higher degree of awareness. I have used that so often because it’s so perfect. Even though you need other people, you still have to do it yourself.”
Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
What is the Law of Perpetual Transmutation, and how does it relate to wealth?
Bob Proctor:
“It relates to everything in the universe. I woke up this morning; it was a beautiful, bright, shining day. The sun was beaming through the windows. Then I noticed that it was starting to get dark and all of a sudden, it was snowing like blazes here. Then it stopped snowing and started to get bright again. The snow was on the ground and about one half hour later, it was gone. Well, the energy was moving into form. The form was snow; then it went back to where it came from, so energy is forever moving into form. Energy flows to and through us and the images we form in our mind dictate the physical form that the energy is going to eventually turn into and it moves with and through us. The energy moves us into a new vibration. The vibration sets up new action and sets up an attraction, so it’s the action and attraction that brings all of the energy together and manifests the energy into form. It’s the first law of the universe.”
Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
Tell me about the Law of Cause and Effect and how it relates to wealth.
Bob Proctor:
“Well, Emerson says the Law of Cause and Effect is the ‘Law of Laws.’ You are going to receive what you put out. The universe sends back to you what you send to it. So, your level of expectation has a lot to do with it and determines what you send out. If you see wealth as a reward, which is really; what it is for service rendered it has nothing to do with work. I can be providing a service right now sharing this information with you and although you are not going to turn around and give me dollars in place of this, the universe is going to send me back money and it will come in many different forms. I can’t determine how it’s going to come, but the energy that I am sharing with you right now is a service that you are then going to take and share with your people. Together, we have banded our energies together and we are providing a service to the people that receive your Ezine. They are going to be doing business with us. You just have to think about giving. We’ve got to learn how to become good Go-Givers.”
Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
So, in becoming a good ‘Go-Giver’, one must become a good thither, yes?
Bob Proctor:
“The novice that first gets involved with tithing and I think it’s a stage we all go through, is seeking a better way of life. Thus, we get into books, cassettes and seminars and we get this idea of tithing and don’t know if it really works. We try it and send some money and say ‘Well, nothing came back.’ We have to understand that if you are giving to get that’s trading, and a violation of the law. With tithing, we should freely give and let go of completely; part of our time, part of our knowledge, and part of our money. We should give from the source that we receive good from. For instance, I went into Michael Beckwith’s church; he invited me there to speak and I went with the idea of speaking because he invited me to speak. I was so richly rewarded just because of my presence there. It was so good that I couldn’t even describe it. Sometimes, you are going to do something for someone and you don’t realize that you will get it back immediately. You don’t have to give to a particular church on the corner in your town; it could be any source where you receive spiritual strength. We should be forever looking for an opportunity to give because that’s what life is all about. If we would just fall in love with that idea, regardless of what anybody else thinks, stay true to that, then we are going to receive because that’s the law and how cause and effect works.”
Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
You say on The Science of Getting Rich that you can get rich going with the tide rather going against it. Explain.
Bob Proctor:
“If it’s a struggle to earn money, you are going against the tide. There should be no struggle. If we get into the divine current of life; that’s where the law of cause and effect comes in, that’s where tithing comes in; it has to be a free-flow. There is a difference between freely giving and taken. If people are taking advantage of you and some will, you are setting up a situation that is giving them an opportunity to violate the law. You shouldn’t permit yourself to be taken, and it’s a fine line, which is where the awareness comes in, but you should be forever looking for opportunities to give of your time, knowledge and money. I remember when I first started studying this, I was really working hard. I was in the Office Building Maintenance Business, and I literally passed out on the street. I thought the answer was work harder, get another office to clean; and of course, that wasn’t the answer at all.”
Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
You say in nature, the supply of money, wealth or riches can never run short. What does that really mean?
Bob Proctor:
“Empty plates don’t feed hungry people. We think that there is a lack of money, but poor people can’t help people. Wealthy people help people. The more you earn, the more you can help people. Money is only used for two things; to be comfortable and to extend your service beyond your own presence. People, who think there is a lack of supply, have separated the non-physical world from the physical world. They say there is a line of demarcation, where one starts and the other stops. The non-physical world and physical world are all connected. This separate thinking has brought about all of the racial problems and the wars, religious problems, but we’re all connected and an expression of the same thing. Tell me where water stops becoming water and becomes steam. The steam and the water are all hooked together on various frequencies and each frequency is hooked up to the one above and the one below. You cannot separate the non-physical world from the physical world. I believe when we really understand that, we start to get along with one another like we are brothers, sisters and connected and we start to see that there is an infinite source of supply. There is no lack to supply. We have the creative faculty or ability to tap in to the non-physical world, build images and cause those images to move into form. Thus, we are creative beings.”
Philippe SHOCK Matthews:
You also say that you must think the truth regardless of appearances. Why?
Bob Proctor:
“You have to understand the truth is not always in the appearance of things. You have to grasp the concept that all things begin in thought. That is, thought truly is the preamble to everything. So, until you grasp that, you are going to let your present conditions or circumstances control your thinking; and it’s going to be repeat cycles of the same thing happening over and over again. My God, Philippe, you and I were caught up in that for years. I lived that way for so long; and you did too; as did most people. I wasn’t raised in a family where everyone understood this and there was plenty around. There was lack and limitation all around and we were blaming conditions, circumstances, other people, the government and everybody else for our situation. It wasn’t until somebody helped me to understand that if I wanted to change my life, I had to change my life.”
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It was Mark Victor Hansen who reintroduced me to the wealth building phenom, Bob Proctor. Although, I remember seeing Bob speak at my church when I was only ten years old at Christ Universal Temple in Chicago, I never knew I would grow up and have the opportunity to share the platform with him and have him endorse my first book, How to Make Millions When Thousands Have Been Laid Off!
Helping employees grow, improve and adapt to change, Proctor’s wide-ranging work with business and industries around the world extends far beyond the pep rally syndrome. Instead, it encompasses working with business entities to develop strategies that will assist employees at all levels to grow, improve, and adapt to the ever-changing nature of all commercial enterprises in today’s business atmosphere.

